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Pol�tica espa�ola :: RE: EL GENOCIDIO ESPA�OL

Autor: Balder
Publicado: 11 Mar 2010 18:25 (GMT 1)
Tema Respuestas: 1

In�til combatir desde la extrema derecha un fen�meno promovido por la derecha misma.

Caf� del foro :: RE: Alemania promociona la destrucci�n de sus propios tanques

Autor: Balder
Publicado: 11 Mar 2010 18:24 (GMT 1)
Tema Respuestas: 2

!!!Somos tan pocos!!!

Pol�tica espa�ola :: EL GENOCIDIO ESPA�OL

Autor: Schwarze Front
Asunto: EL GENOCIDIO ESPA�OL
Publicado: 08 Mar 2010 13:12 (GMT 1)
Tema Respuestas: 1

Seguido dejo un enlace al nuevo foro de Salt de un post sobre la incidencia de las pol�ticas neoliberales sobre la poblaci�n espa�ola:

http://salt.bestofforum.com/politica-general-f4/el-genocidio-espanol-t11.htm#19

Caf� del foro :: RE: Alemania promociona la destrucci�n de sus propios tanques

Autor: Schwarze Front
Publicado: 07 Mar 2010 23:27 (GMT 1)
Tema Respuestas: 2

Ese mestizo universal, criatura sionista-capitalista, es la m�s seria amenaza que se cierne sobre el futuro de Europa. Mientras ese monstruo va ganando posiciones, el orgullo, el honor y el corage de nuestros pueblos retroceden hacia el abismo a una velocidad espeluznante. La humillaci�n que ha sufrido y sufre el pueblo alem�n desde el final de la segunda guerra mundial no tiene parang�n en la historia, �ste es el verdadero holocausto �tnico y cultural. Europa despierta!

FORO GENERAL DE POL�TICA :: Bloqueo naval de Alemania: 2 millones de v�ctimas civilles

Autor: Balder
Asunto: Bloqueo naval de Alemania: 2 millones de v�ctimas civilles
Publicado: 05 Mar 2010 23:48 (GMT 1)
Tema Respuestas: 0

UN EPISODIO POCO CONOCIDO Y QUE SIN EMBARGO ES DECISIVO PARA EXPLICAR EL SURGIMIENTO DEL NAZISMO

Naval Blockade of Germany after 11 November 1918 An English War crime?

Through my different readings of German testimonies of the great war
I came many times across accounts of , the lack of food, supplies etc�
for the German soldier in the field , and at home . And the bitterness expressed towards the blockade for those at home .
During the last offensives in 1918 the German soldiers finds lots food supplies in the captured allied trenches he has not seen anymore for a long long time .
The allied soldier has all in abundance, and its amazing to read how the German soldier still stands .

Wanting to know more about it, and when this blockade finally ended ,
I went searching for the answer and found the bible book on this matter .

Which I want to share with you .

This blockade in my opinion one of the reasons Germany lost the war , so it had its effect
But did it needed to be continued as a strangulation after the armistice ?
If you add to the two millions of deaths of the famine, which was hardest in Austria, and the casualties of the influenza the after war period must not have been a fun time.

One understands more the seeds and the mechanics that led to the second world war .

Enjoy the reading !
Patrick

the direct link to the article is at the bottom of the post .

VINCENT, C. Paul, The Politics of Hunger: The Allied Blockade of Germany 1915-1919 (Athens OH 1985); (this fantastic book is almost totally unobtainable). Two million Europeans died, mostly in Germany and Austria; the mortality rate was 250% higher than in Great Britain, as a result of the blockage. Vincent makes a direct connection between the illegal blockade and Hitler's rise to power: psychoanalysis shows the later consequences of mistreatment in childhood; the German "hunger generation" of 1915-1920 became the most radical followers of National Socialism. Britain's starvation blockade was a "significant factor in the formation of the Nazi character" (in English in the text).
Starvation blockade of Germany, WWI and II; see also Allied war crimes

Book Reviews
THE POLITICS OF HUNGER: THE ALLIED BLOCKADE OF GERMANY, 1915-1919. By C. Paul Vincent. Ohio University Press, Athens (Ohio) and London, 1985; pp. viii, 191.
Reviewed by Robert A. Hall, Jr.
When did the First World War end? Yes, that is a "catch-question." Virtually everybody will reply "November 1918;" but, in so doing, they will be wrong. That was the date on which hostilities on land ceased. On sea, however, although there was no more combat, the Allied (chiefly English) blockade of foodstuffs and other materials continued until July 11 1919, eight months after the Armistice was signed at Compi�gne. The purpose of the blockade? - to force the new government of Germany, the "Weimar Republic," to ratify the Versailles "peace" treaty without delay. In this way, an intentionally continued and increased scarcity of food and the resultant famine was used as a militarily enforced weapon against the civilian population of Germany. Vincent�s book, originally conceived as a study of the post-1918 blockade, grew into a detailed history of the entire operation and it�s background, from 1914 onward.

Vincent's study is divided into six chapters. In the first two, he treats pre-1918 history; in the next three, the events of 1918-1919 and in the last, the longer-range effects of the starvation resulted from the blockade. Chapter I, "The Loss of Innocence," deals with the developments in the first year of the war that led to the establishment of the blockade. On both sides, at the outbreak of hostilities, the populations appeared to be enthusiastic about the war and in a state of euphoria which owed a great deal of its virulence to the glorification of War by the "futurists" in literature and art, as well as by the more rabid nationalists during the first decade and a half of the new century. A major factor in this now strange headlong rush into Armageddon was the widespread expectation that the war would not, in fact, could not, last more than a few months. (Your reviewer's first coherent memory is of a bright September afternoon in Minneapolis, listening to the adults deploring the outbreak of "this terrible war" in Europe, and expressing the hope that it would be over by Christmas.)

As time passed, it became evident that both sides were going to have to take drastic measures to counteract the ill effects of the excessive strain placed upon the civilian populations. Vincent points out that "the severe wartime conditions and the experiences of the English and the French on the homefront were generally matched and in many cases exceeded in Germany" (p. 15). In the following pages, Vincent analyzes the situation in Germany, with the interesting conclusion that - contrary to our prevailing folklore - the German war-effort was poorly organized, with unwise priorities given to industrial and business interests at the expense of those of civilians and farmers. Although foreign sources of food and fertilizer were cut off, the authorities "virtually ignored the [...] effects of a food shortage" (p. 30).

Matters may have been made considerably worse by the administration of the food regulations being incredibly decentralized. Under the provisions of the Prussian Law of Siege (p. 17), the procurement and distribution of the domestic food supply was administered by no less than twenty-four separate German army authorities, under generals who differed widely in their attitudes and approaches to the problem, and who often worked at cross-purposes from each other and from the overall army administration. By 1916 the German population was surviving on a "meager diet of dark bread, slices of sausage without fat, an individual ration of three pounds of potatoes per week, and turnips. Only the turnips were in abundant supply" (p. 21). By mid-1918, the army's food ration was no better, and this scarcity contributed to disaffection among the troops. Vincent quotes (p. 23) General Ludendorff�s allegation that the German defeat was due to a "stab in the back" (Dolchstoss, literally "dagger-stab"). True, says Vincent, at least in part, but what was not mentioned by Ludendorff was "the fact that the amry had fashioned the knife" by its maladministration of the food-supply throughout the entite war.

In Chapter II, "The Blockade," Vincent summarizes the events which led up to its establishment in 1915 and its effects in Germany. These were especially severe in the terrible Kohlr�benwinter ("turnip-winter") of 1916-1917, "during which the collective weight (sic) of the German population plummeted sharply" (p. 45). The blockade was almost totally effective in cutting off Germany�s imports of food and materiel. In 1917, with German morale nearing the point of collapse, the Kaiser decided on the now infamous policy of unrestricted submarine warfare. In so doing, Vincent argues that the German leadership committed two serious errors; "They totally underestimated the vigor with which the Allies would counter the effects of the submarine;" and "they failed to appreciate the consequence of America's potentional addition to the side of the Allies" (p. 47). By November, 1918, the food-shortage in Germany had become catastrophic; the action of the Allies in continuing the blockade, after the cessation of hostilites on land, made it even worse.

Vincent's next two chapters deal in detail with the events of the eight months after November 11, 1918, primarily on the diplomatic front. He describes the November armistice as "A Conditional Surrender" (the title of Chapter III). Even before the cessation of hostilities on land, there had been ominous anticipations of coming discord among the Allies. Wilson's famous "Fourteen Points" (which included "absolute freedom of navigation" at all times) seem to have been taken more seriously by the German government and negotiators than by Foch and Clemenceau with their intense desire for unlimited revanche, or by Lloyd George with his stubborn insistence on undiminished British command of the seas. As a consequence, and much to the dismay of the German negotiators, the continuation of the naval blockade was made one of the conditions for the Allied granting of an armistice (hence Vincent's title for this chapter). On November 11, just before the signing, the Germans were so perturbed at the prospect of continued starvation through the continuance of the blockade that a clause was added to the armistice agreement, to the effect that the Allies "contemplated relieving the famine." This, however, as later events showed, was only an empty phrase.

"Gold, Food, Ships, and Diplomats," during the next eight months, are the topic of Chapter 5. There was a strange intermingling and clash of often diametrically opposed policies on the part of victorious Allies, so that Herbert Hoover's initial moves for humanitarian famine relief, as applied to Germany, were for months stalemated by considerably less laudable refusals on the part of the French and British to allow food to be distributed, even from stocks already unloaded in Europe. The blockade was not only maintained, but even extended. Almost wholly incomprehensible to a later generation, even German fishing rights in the Baltic were abrogated. The British sea lords were concerned with the continual assertion of their naval power, while the French politicians were more interested with extracting from the Germans every possible centime of reparations. The French government's demands extended even to the gold-reserves held by the German government which were desperately needed to pay the American farmer for food which he had supplied. An Allied commission set up to deal with the situation, meeting at Spa, Belgium, wasted time in interminable wrangling. For three months, even eyewitness reports of the extremely bad situation in Germany failed to move either the Allied commission at Spa or the peace negotiators at Paris.
In the end, it took a violent outburst of anger on Hoover's part to persuade Lloyd- George that a drastic change in Allied policy was urgently needed (pp. 114-11). On March 8, 1919, the Allies� policy was finally reversed (pp. 111-13) by the Supreme War Council, at a meeting which has been made relatively well-known by John Maynard Keynes's description of it in his memoirs (from which Vincent gives several quotations). As for the sources of French and British obstructionism during these crucial months, Vincent ascribes their behavior to several causes (pp. 115-17), These included: British desire to maintain the "very perfect instrument' of the bockade for imposing peace terms (Keynes�s explanation); the ignorance of Allied diplomats as to the real situation; the Europeans' suspicion of Hoover's humanitarianism, which they interpreted (at least in part) as evidence of a presumed desire of the United States to dominate Europe; and, most important of all, French greed for German gold.
The continually worsening starvation of the Gemran public is described in Vincent's fifth chapter, "Famine and Starvation." Not only the supplies of actual food (especially potatoes, grain and sugar), but also fodder, fats and fertilizer quickly came to be in very short supply. Not only the housewife, but the soldier and the prisoner-of-war, were affected. The resultant severe undernourishment was particularly telling on the elderly, the young, expectant and nursing mothers. Improper diet lowered resistance to or caused such diseases as tuberculosis, rickets, influenza, dysentery, scurvy, ulceration of the eyes, and hunger-edema (p. 137). The influenza-epidemic of 1918 had, therefore, a far greater effect on German mortality, which was 250 percent greater in that year, than in England (p.141). Vincent emphasizes (pp. 146-47) the disastrous results in malnutrition, as demonstrated in many modern physiological and psychological studies, on the human brain, especially in undernourished children. Furthermore, he points out (pp.148-50), the elementary necessity of obtaining a barely sufficient food supply undermined traditional morality and ethical standards (pp.148-50).

The end result of the blockade and especially of its continuation after November 11,1918, was, as Vincent terms it in the title of his sixth and final chapter, "The Making of a Quagmire." Even while the blockade was being enforced and strengthened, perceptive observers on both sides pointed out the dangers inherent in its continuation, which could lead only to a complete breakdown of the social order. Even though the immediate situation was saved by a last-minute relaxation of the blockade on food, the longer-term results of the resultant famine were still disasterous. As Vincent observes (pp.112):
Whether one espouses the psychoanalytical argument that childhood deprivation fostered irrational behavior in adulthood or the physiological assertion that widespread malnutrition in childhood led to a impaired ability to think rationally in adulthood, the conclusion remains the same: the victimized youth of 1915-1920 were to become the most radical adherents of National Socialism.
Additionally, Vincent observes (p. 164) "By the same wisdom, however, one cannot intellectually dismiss the important possibility that blockade-induced starvation was a significant factor in the formation of the Nazi character." His conclusion (pp. 164-65) is that:
The ominious amalgamation of twisted emotion and physical degeneration, which was to presage considerable misery for Germany and the world, might have been prevented had it not been for the postwar policy of the Allies. The immediate centerpiece of this policy was the blockade.
Two short appendices, of British reports made in 1919 on the famine prevailing in Germany, are printed on pp. 168-72. An extensive bibliography (pp. 173-82) and a not wholly complete index (pp. 183-91) finish the book. It is well-printed, with few typos. The very full references are contained in notes printed at the end of each chapter - a far better procedure than that of putting them all in one huge clump at the end of the text of the book.
Specialists in the field have, of course, known of the Allied blockade and of its results, for a long time. A major merit of Vincent's treatment is his bringing together of information from all these different sources, and welding it into a comprehensive, highly readable, and yet scholarly presentation of the whole picture of both the 1915-18 blockade and its continuation and extension in 1918-19. Your reviewer, who was brought up in an intensely Anglophile and Francophile family, but who majored in German literature as an undergraduate, was unaware (like almost all other Americans) of the nature and extent of the blockade. Vincent's book has opened his eyes to one more neglected facet of modern history. By performing this service for his readers, Vincent has made a contribution to the never-ending task of revising and refining our perception of history, which can never be one hundred percent accurate or immune to change.

Source: Reprinted from The Journal of Historical Review, vol. 7, no. 2, pp. 231-236.
http://www.vho.org/GB/Journals/JHR/7/2/Hal...all231-236.html

FORO GENERAL DE POL�TICA :: Genocidio alem�n en alem�n

Autor: Balder
Asunto: Genocidio alem�n en alem�n
Publicado: 05 Mar 2010 15:17 (GMT 1)
Tema Respuestas: 0

Zwischen 6 und 15 Millionen Deutsche wurde von amerikanischen, britischen und sovietischen Beh�rden get�tet.

Wie bekommen langsam eine Ahnung von der Anzahl der Deutschen, egal ob Zivilisten oder unbewaffnete Soldaten, die im Laufe des Zweiten Weltkrieges oder danach von den Amerikanern, Franzosen, Briten und Russen get�tet wurden.
Die Zahl ist erschreckend. Von 6 und 15 Millionen Opfern ist die Rede. Die Dunkelziffer liegt jedoch weitaus h�her, da im Namen der Menschenrechte weitere Verbrechen ver�bt wurden.
Die Ideologie der Menschenrechte hat den Volksmord erlaubt. Heute ist man sich �ber die Verbrechen bewusst und Gedenkt der Opfer an zahlreichen Trauertagen und speziell hierf�r eingerichteten Pl�tzen.

Hier die Zahlen im �berblick:

Erstens.
1.100.000 deutsche Zivilisten wurden von den britischen Bombardements get�tet. Die ausgekl�gelt Technik dieses Vernichtungskrieges hat schon vor dem Holokaust 15 Millionen Kinder, Frauen und alte Menschen lebendig verbrennen lassen.

Zweitens.
12.000.000 deutsche Zivilisten wurden von Polen und Russland aus Schlesien, Pommern und Preu�en ausgewiesen. Heute bezeichnet man solch einen Akt als "Verbrechen gegen die Menschheit". Aber die Deutsche bleiben ausserhalb des Menschheit.

Drittens.
2.500.000 deutsche Zivilisten wurden im Laufe dieser Ausweisung get�tet.

Viertens.
1.000.000 unbewaffnete deutsche Soldaten starben in amerikanischen und franz�sischen Konzentrationsl�gern auf Grund von Hunger, Misshandlung und Folter. Die Deutschen hingegen beachten im Bezug auf amerikanische, britische und Franz�sische Gefangene stets die Genfer Konvention.

F�nftens.
2.000.000 deutsche Soldaten starben in den sovietischen Konzentrationsl�ger durch dieselben Umst�nde.

Sechstens.
8.000.000 deutsche Zivilisten wurden nach 1945 von amerikanischen Beh�rden verhungern lassen. Die Strafpolitik wurde von dem amerikanisch-j�dischen Banker Henry Morgenthau angewandt.
Ohne Ber�cksichtigung des holokaust wurden schon am Ende des Ersten Weltkrieges nach 1918 von den britischen Beh�rden 400.000 Kinder, Frauen und alte Menschen wegen Absperrungs auf See get�tet . Der Plan von Morgenthau war es diesen Plan zu erweitern.

Zwischen 6 und 15 Millionen Deutsche wurden get�tet und es hab mehr als 25 Millionen Deutsche wurden Opfer von Verbrechen gegen die Menschenrechte und V�lkermord. Was macht die deutsche Regierung mit diesen Fakten? Was machen die Verteidiger der Menschenrechte? Wie lange herrscht noch Schweigen und Vergessenheit um die unschuldigen Opfer? Es wird Zeit zu handeln!

Caf� del foro :: Alemania promociona la destrucci�n de sus propios tanques

Autor: Balder
Asunto: Alemania promociona la destrucci�n de sus propios tanques
Publicado: 05 Mar 2010 14:57 (GMT 1)
Tema Respuestas: 2

Es un juego, los aviones son americanos, los tanques, alemanes, el objetivo. �D�nde se vende? En Alemania y en lengua alemana:

http://img4.playzo.biz/desertops/teaser/do.html

Los pol�ticos alemanes son una casta colonial de ocupaci�n yanqui sionista dedicada a destruir el pa�s, la humillarlo, a degradarlo y a hacerlo desaparecer a medio y largo plazo, dejando que en lugar del pueblo alem�n el territorio lo ocupe una nueva raza, la del mestizo universal, al servicio del pueblo elegido.

Deutschland erwache!!!

Caf� del foro :: RE: �Qu� ha pasado en el foro Frente Negro?

Autor: Comunidad de Di�logo
Publicado: 04 Mar 2010 13:22 (GMT 1)
Tema Respuestas: 98

Rogamos no se cuelguen fotos de personas privadas con nombres y apellidos en este foro, pues con ello se vulnera el derecho a la propia imagen, que es un derecho amparado por la constituci�n y podr�a dar lugar a acciones penales contra el administrador del sitio. Se agradece la buena intenci�n de informar, pero existen lugares an�nimos en la red donde se puede colgar este tipo de informaci�n para que resulte accesible. Saludos y gracias.
_________________
Ejecutivo de la Asamblea de Usuarios d ela Comunidad del Di�logo

Pol�tica espa�ola :: RE: Declaraciones de Jaume Farrerons en La Raz�n

Autor: Balder
Publicado: 02 Mar 2010 12:24 (GMT 1)
Tema Respuestas: 6

Eso es lo de menos. Los que controlan el poder ya me conocen de sobras por mis denuncias sobre las c�rceles y mi papel en la fundaci�n de la Plataforma per Catalunya.

En Salt parece que ya existe un "partido populista" de corte xen�fobo y oportunista. Nuestro trabajo ser�a mostrarle a los vecinos de esa localidad que es posible una opci�n de izquierdas, no xen�foba, que en lugar de usar a los inmigrantes como chivos expiatorios, cargue contra los pol�ticos. En suma, la parte de mis declaraciones que han censurado.

Pol�tica espa�ola :: RE: Declaraciones de Jaume Farrerons en La Raz�n

Autor: SocialPatriota
Publicado: 01 Mar 2010 23:46 (GMT 1)
Tema Respuestas: 6

Y encima no escriben bien tu nombre, repiten dos veces 'Ferrarons'.

Pol�tica espa�ola :: RE: Declaraciones de Jaume Farrerons en La Raz�n

Autor: Balder
Publicado: 01 Mar 2010 23:23 (GMT 1)
Tema Respuestas: 6

No es una entrevista, sino unas declaraciones que est�n metidas en medio del art�culo:

http://www.larazon.es/noticia/5882-calma-tensa-en-el-polvorin-de-salt

Este es un link a la versi�n digital del texto.

Saludos.

Pol�tica espa�ola :: RE: Declaraciones de Jaume Farrerons en La Raz�n

Autor: Schwarze Front
Publicado: 01 Mar 2010 11:28 (GMT 1)
Tema Respuestas: 6

Ese es un problema con el que hay que contar, puesto que se trata de medios del sistema y encima, en este caso, de la ultraderecha pura y dura. De todas formas es bueno que, al menos, se sepa que este proyecto existe, lo dem�s lo traer� google. Ser�a interesante colgar la entrevista en pdf para los que no hemos podido leerla. Saludos.

FORO GENERAL DE POL�TICA :: RE: Los asesinos que nos gobiernan

Autor: Balder
Publicado: 01 Mar 2010 11:13 (GMT 1)
Tema Respuestas: 9

No sab�a que Garz�n hab�a anadmitido a tr�mite una querella sobre Paracuellos antes der emprender su cruzada egol�trico-justificiera-medi�tica contra los cr�menes del franquismo. Este juez es un sinverg�enza, un ejemplo t�pico de la hipocres�a del sistema. �Alguien sabe algo sobre la querella indamitida?

Pol�tica espa�ola :: RE: Fundaci�n de un partido de izquierda nacional

Autor: Balder
Publicado: 28 Feb 2010 22:22 (GMT 1)
Tema Respuestas: 4

En los pr�ximos meses espero poner en marcha un proyecto pol�tico centrado en Salt que se pueda presentar a las pr�ximas municipales en esa localidad con posibilidades de �xito.

Pol�tica espa�ola :: RE: Declaraciones de Jaume Farrerons en La Raz�n

Autor: Balder
Publicado: 28 Feb 2010 22:19 (GMT 1)
Tema Respuestas: 6

Entre lo que dije a La Raz�n y lo que me han publicado hay un abismo.

Por ejemplo, yo dije que no hab�a que "apaciguar" a los ciudadanos, sino reorientar su indignaci�n contra los pol�ticos, verdaderos responsables del desastre, evitando la xenofobia. S�lo se han quedado con el final d ela frase.

Tambi�n dije que �ramos de izquierdas y que la inmigraci�n hab�a servido para reventar el precio de la mano de obra, en provecho del capital, y hab�a que evitar que el tema cayera en manos de la ultra, pero s�lo me han publicado el final de la frase.

Y as� el resto de mi intervenci�n, que queda muy desdibujada porque los periodistas "seleccionan" la noticia, en realidad la fabrican.